helvetica Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Officially supported client versions and changes to support policies on client-related bugs Hello!Here at rAthena we try our best to provide a stable server to build around. Unfortunately we've had a rash of commits in the past few months that have introduced client bugs that hadn't existed before. This is unacceptable and we apologize for any downtime or issues this may have caused. There has also been a large number of bug reports involving unusual client versions, resulting in significantly wasted time and effort on our behalf trying to track down bugs that may or may not actually exist. So as such we have as a team decided to tighten down the list of officially supported clients for rAthena. These clients will be tested against on any major update or commit that affects any packet or client-facing code to make sure new bugs are not introduced. Other client versions will be supported on an as-is basis. Basically, you are free to use any client version you wish, but for stability reasons we highly recommend sticking to the officially sanctioned list as those will be the ones we test against. If an update breaks support for a client that isn't on the approved list then it may be taken care of at a lower priority than bugs affecting officially approved versions. This does not mean we will intentionally be breaking support for clients that are not officially sanctioned, this merely means support will be tailored to those first and foremost, and any bugs or bad behaviors may go unnoticed or corrected. If there any conflicting changes that would break support on one of the officially sanctioned versions, those bugs will definitely not be fixed. What does this mean to you, the server admin? It means you can pick from one of our officially supported client versions and rest assured we will tailor support specifically to those and will aim for stability for those clients. We will do everything we can to make sure client bugs are not introduced during updates so you don't have to waste your time troubleshooting, or have to deal with angry players if something breaks. And in the unlikely event something does break, we will put the highest priority on fixing bugs affecting the officially supported clients. Here are the following clients and which server mode we support them for. Pre-Renewal:2010-07-30aRagexeRE Renewal 2012:2012-04-10aRagexeRE Renewal 2013:2013-08-07aRagexe2013-12-23aRagexe Renewal 2014:2014-10-22aRagexe Renewal 2015:2015-05-03aRagexe 2015-11-04aRagexe We are not supporting 2012 era Ragexe clients, only RagexeRE. Use those at your own peril. Bug reports for any other client will only be accepted at a core developer's discretion, if at all. We reserve the right to close and ignore any bug reports coming from clients other than the ones listed above. Clients older than 2010-07-30aRagexeRE are considered depreciated and while they work for the time being, support may be removed at any time. It is highly recommended you move your servers to 2010-07-30aRagexeRE or newer as soon as possible. An announcement will be made if support for clients older than 2010-07-30aRagexeRE is intentionally removed, but be warned it may break at any time and bug reports will not be accepted for fixing them. Edited October 26, 2016 by Secrets added 2015-11-04aRagexe to supported list 14
helvetica Posted August 26, 2013 Author Posted August 26, 2013 Any and all clients older than 2010-07-30aRagexeRE are considered depreciated and support for them may go away at any time. We will try to announce ahead of time if we do intentionally break support for those older clients, but bugs may appear on their own as we will not be actively testing against those clients. If bugs do show up they will not be addressed nor fixed. We highly HIGHLY recommend moving to a newer client ASAP.
hendra814 Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 For 2013 client, I thinks recomended client version is 2013-07-03 because at some thread many people asking at this client version
imblad3 Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 im using 2013-08-07 version, still haven't see any error~
LuLu Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 im using 2013-08-07 version, still haven't see any error~ try vending.
Ziu Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 im using 2013-08-07 version, still haven't see any error~ try vending. +1
helvetica Posted August 27, 2013 Author Posted August 27, 2013 For 2013 client, I thinks recomended client version is 2013-07-03 because at some thread many people asking at this client version im using 2013-08-07 version, still haven't see any error~ I personally haven't done any evaluation of the 2013 clients yet (my server still runs on 2012 clients). But those are two good starting points I'll look into!
Ziu Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 @helvetica you should go thinking about using clients 2013...why?new ID NPC (not working under client 2012)new maps (not working under client 2012)new effect (not working under client 2012)new jobs (not working under client 2012)new sprite (not working under client 2012)new maps effects (not working under client 2012)etc etc
helvetica Posted August 29, 2013 Author Posted August 29, 2013 There will eventually be a 2013 client we support. There just hasn't been a decision made on which one. I'm the one mostly driving the push towards client standardization, but I have no experience with any of the 2013 clients on my own servers and I haven't had a chance to sit down and make an evaluation.
nanakiwurtz Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 Hmm.. The 2012-04-10 client is already outdated by a year if we think on the date. But it's true that the 2013 clients still have some unknown bugs. Maybe a study or a reasonable vote to decide which version we should focus on is not a bad idea?
helvetica Posted August 30, 2013 Author Posted August 30, 2013 2012-04-10 is a extremely popular and widely deployed client, hence why it has been chosen to be part of the standard test suite. Having 3 clients to test against isn't the end of the world, but having several hundred potential clients is.
Lighta Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 I think we should go with 20130710 cause it's actually the one I did most test with haha =) But if someone know real diff between them and what's best feel free to tell us.
Cydh Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 cool. I never use 2013 client, so I'll keep my eyes here.
helvetica Posted August 31, 2013 Author Posted August 31, 2013 Remember, these client versions are merely suggestions. You don't have to use the clients we support. As a server admin you know the needs of your playerbase best, so you can best make that call. What we're doing with this policy is giving you, the server admin, a point of stability. You can know that if you choose to use one of our supported clients, we will test our updates against it, and we will fix any and all bugs applying to these versions first. If you choose to go with a different client version than what we support, we won't stop you or actively break things, but be aware that we won't be testing our updates against them, and if bugs do pop up they may end up on a lower priority or not fixed at all. 1
Akinari Posted October 20, 2013 Posted October 20, 2013 I'm currently in the process of testing 08-07-2013. This one, or later, is probably the best as our official support client as it has all the current features available, unless I'm missing something else. 1
kamotlikod Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 I'm currently in the process of testing 08-07-2013. This one, or later, is probably the best as our official support client as it has all the current features available, unless I'm missing something else. Try using a bubble gum while using that client. I had problems with the status icon
karazu Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 im using 2013-08-07 version, still haven't see any error~ try vending. Just update ur msgstringtable and the error will go away. 2013-08-07 is the best client and the most stable of all 2013 clients
LuLu Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 im using 2013-08-07 version, still haven't see any error~ try vending. Just update ur msgstringtable and the error will go away. 2013-08-07 is the best client and the most stable of all 2013 clients yep I already know this. this was posted when the client was new. thanks anyways 1
Akinari Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 As of f056629, we have added support for the 2013-08-07 client. This has become our main developer test client and therefore, will be the client we will officially support from here on out. It contains support for all of the current features either implemented or being worked on. Please report bugs in the bug tracker.
Whathell Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 As of f056629, we have added support for the 2013-08-07 client. This has become our main developer test client and therefore, will be the client we will officially support from here on out. It contains support for all of the current features either implemented or being worked on. Please report bugs in the bug tracker. Woah! Nice!
Meister Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Can you support 2013-12-23c now? And its updates for example the new npc?
Cydh Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Can you support 2013-12-23c now? And its updates for example the new npc? If 'you' means is me, I can't. Wait other dev/someone who want add/support everything about client stuffs
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